Talk:Mac or Bonds: Who Roided It Up Better?/@comment-68.188.83.140-20070214103302

The main thing roids did for Mcwire was keep him in the game longer. The amount of size he put on isn&quot;t hard for someone with a 6&quot;5 frame. Anyone with average genetics can do that in a few years. I&quot;m 6&quot;0 and skeletal, and still went from 150 to 185 in one year. I&quot;ve done it drug free, trainer-free, and pretty much clue-free. Bonds seems to have gotten bigger than his genetic potential would allow, but Mcgwire could have gotten close to that size drug-free. He&quot;s not a monster by any standard. Check out Jay Cutler if you want to see REAL steroid abuse.

I think the juice just kept Mcgwire at full size when age would have otherwise started robbing him of muscle and adding fat. You start losing 10% of your muscle mass every decade at 30, but steroids can completely prevent that (Ronnie Coleman was the most muscular man alive in the 2005 Olympia, and he was almost 42). As for his maximum size, getting that big with a 6&quot;5 frame, years of training, good trainers and nutrition is really nothing special. I don&quot;t think steroids really added much to his physical potential, they just extended it longer and let him continue developing the cognition you need to hit a 95 mph fastball dead-center.