Talk:Mac or Bonds: Who Roided It Up Better?/@comment-67.171.93.196-20070411205011

I think people need to look at the facts. At 20 years old I was 6&quot;2" at 175 lbs. I started working out, amateur bodybuilding, but I NEVER touched anything AT ALL that dealt with steroids, andro, hgh, or even natural supplements that boost testosterone.  I am now 26, and I weigh 220, all muscle, 7% bodyfat.  18" arms. That is 45 lbs in 6 years! I take things like creatine, glutamine, whey protein, and eat good. Chicken, good clean food.. eggs, etc.. no junk food, soda, etc. AND WE&quot;RE ONLY TALKING 6 YEARS! You are comparing an 18 year old rookie&quot;s physique to his physique 20 years later! 20!!!!! Even though the male testosterone level peaks at age 26, your muscle maturity increases until about 33-35. (When most bodybuilders peak out).. And you can NATURALLY build muscle until about age 45. So, quit being wusses and hit the gym. Not saying they didn&quot;t use steroids to take the easy way out, I&quot;m just sayin that is it VERY VERY possible to put that kind of weight on without the use of drugs. I did it! And these guys have WAY better trainers than I could ever pay for.